3 complex damage mods, 3 proficiency proto swarms vs 2 complex 1 enhanced heavy repair with level 3 in repair proficiency.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v7AwrgVwNA&feature=youtu.be

Out of curiousity...

What do you mean Active Tanks, and passive Tanks? And What do you mean Damage over time, and burst damage?

(when you describe these can you include the weapon as well please to clarify a little more.)

What makes you think Swarms are Assistant AV? It does not say that in the description of the weapon.

Well technically a pistol is what you call a sidearm because it on your side. I'm a marine and doesn't make any sense to call a weapon a assistant weapon.

As for when weapons are used. Yes you are right, if used correctly the weapon should be devastating as each make and model of every modern weapon is designed for certain purposes.

But my question revolved around "assistant weapons"

So you would classify as rifle as a "assistant weapon" given its a light weapon. how does a rifle assist?

Edit:

I'm not trying to make you feel uncomfortable, I'm just trying to understand your logic and what your trying to say.

Okay let me clarify what I am asking...

First off you mentioned "Light weaponry that any class can equip. That's like asking where it says a scrambler pistol is an assistant weapon. It says sidearm, but not assistant." end quote.

So, you said light weapons are considered assistant weapons. So that includes rifles, mass drivers, swarm launchers, and basically anything that is light weaponry. So you were mentioning weapons not relevant to the targets, I just complied to it given the comment of sidearms and light weapons.

But based on your response you want to focus on anti-vehicle weapons, which in that case I don't know why you brought up sidearms.



What I'm asking is how does one label a weapon an "assistant weapon"? Understand the reason we call weapons "weapons" is that they are designed to kill not to assist kills. That why they call it a weapon.


Further more How does AV run on different tiers than anti-personal? We have tiers of milita, basic, advance, and proto.

Edit: Also keep in mind, whats the purpose of having a assist weapons if another weapon is designed to kill the target better? You'd be better of having two Anti Vehicle weapons than 1 anti vehicle weapon and 1 assistant weapon.

It just blows my mind that people cannot see how overpowered triple reps are...

I like the idea of active tanking, its good that gallente tanks are favoring this form of play... however.. a tank should not be completely invulnerable to any form of AV. Strong against it? Sure, but given sufficient time an AVer should be able to kill a tank standing still.

This is just complete nonsense that people are actually trying to argue this is okay...

smh...

Not a dev, just a player.

Someone said one AV guy shouldn't be able to solo a tank. Sure I see that. And I can scare one of those guys away in my proAV fit, maybe. But when it's three tanks, you need at least 6 guys to deploy in AV gear, to scare them away unless AV unites against one tank and instapops one at a time.

In a pub, that's never going to happen.

Every pub game I have played in maps where a tank can truly affect the battle, is won by the team with madrepper superiority. The balance is way better in non tanky maps right now. Sadly I don't see a lot of tank v tank battles either which is probably what tankers desire.

This is a difficult problem and I know we have spent a lot of time on this internally

1) KDR of tanker vs non-tanker
2) ISK efficiency vs elite tanker comparable to elite assault player
3a) proto AV vs proto tanker
3b) proto AV vs standard tanker
3c) average AV needed to rapidly destroy a tank without tank recourse (2v1, 3v1, 4v1)
4) measuring the best tankers who are in the spotlight (very few) versus normal tankers who don't so so well
5) efficiency against infantry
6) nades and re's requre non slayer specialization, so AV is pretty inaccessible to majority of players.

Instead of more tankers v nontankers, what are some simple ways to balance this?

You could simply remove all tiers of AV and leave militia and basic than balance tanks vs AV

Removing tanks from ambush would also dwindle down much of the threads complaining about tanks

Keep the Assault Forge Gun but bring it to a more balance AV level for Vehicles and remove prototype.
Than as you guy introduce Advance vehicles and prototype vehicles bring in the AVs of Advance and prototype at the same time.

Okay, that makes a lot more sense of what your trying to say.

But I am going to be respectfully blunt, I just don't agree with it.

The concept of "wound" or disable to vehicle makes sense until you understand that wounding a triple rep tank basically means you wound him for only 1 second before he completely repped up. That window of opportunity is simply too small unless your using combined arms but that's still only 1 second opportunity.

Now the concept of disable is interesting if it actually disabled the vehicle from moving (disable is more appropriate term than wounding). Now I understand why you call it assistant weaponry but I think the term your mean to use is "Elusive Attacks" which basically means if you can't take them down by force you take them down by means of overcoming their defenses passively. For example attacks like Poison, gas, or anyway to cripple the enemy would be a elusive attack. Essentially engaging while enemy is in a continual weaken state.

Tasers are something else entirely called non-lethal. Used specially to put down targets but to keep them alive. Tasers are not used in warfare because the objective is to kill the enemy.


Now when it comes to Vehicles there is weapons that destroy or support destroying them. These supports are equipment based like the guided laser targets painters. They are passive aggressive. Aggressive weapons are essentially what you see in everyday shooters to take down vehicles like rocket launchers, RPGS, Javelin, Forge Guns, Ect.

So Swarms Launchers are aggressive weapons but offer only 1 second of opportunity to allow concentrated fire. This is not supporting nor is it elusive. Its simply aggressive which means that the weapons design is to destroy it target.